(permalink). Depending on your perspective, we are spinning toward some unknown, chaotic mael... Looks Just Like the Sun, Broken Social Scene. He never bothered to file his negatives, transparencies or prints; they were left scattered around his studio…a windowless, black-painted space with neither an office nor a telephone. un politique qui surf sur l'opinion en vue des prochaines élections, rien de plus normal, Oui , mais il va rester des traces ............de coquelicots. Good to have the background. ages ago Première édition , du lundi au vendredi de 6h à 8H30, présenté par Christophe Delay et Adeline François. BFMTV le forum pour décrypter, commenter les reportages, les interviews ou les émissions de la 1ère chaîne d’info de France en concurrence avec LCI ou encore Cnews.. BFMTV propose 20h de direct par jour de 4h30 du matin à 0H30 du lundi au vendredi ou 6h-0h30 le samedi et dimanche : on ne peut rien râter de l’info chaque jour même le week end avec les décryptages et reporters terrain. This is all the more telling since many of his contemporary fashion photographers, like Helmut Newton, were constantly promoting their own work. He had conflated the events surrounding the death of his wife and his girlfriend into a single image. Once, when one of his models complained she considered the scene he'd laid out to be pornographic, Bourdin responded by saying "Don't make me laugh; this is art." Post here to say hi! Although she called him periodically at the restaurant (young Bourdin, who was reluctant to speak with her, would be locked into the restaurant's telephone booth in order to force him to speak with her), he only met her once. (permalink), Greg, good salon as always!! Instead he put his models in front of a butchers shop displaying calf heads hung on hooks. Originally posted ages ago. ages ago The product…in this case, Charles Jourdan shoes…became an incidental aspect of the image. That's especially true if the photographer was busy, like Bourdin. Bourdin returned five more times, and each time she turned him away. By the 1970s, he was given complete artistic control over ten pages in each monthly issue of French Vogue. I have a lot to think about now, and perhaps, over time, something to say. Infernal ce Bourdin, Guillaume a un mal de fou à faire passer ses messages ( quels qu' ils soient). (permalink), @Greg: I did notice a fair amount of red hair. Open Full Image. While I understand the messed up as a result of abandonment, he was one messed up dude. His models might have to use traditional poses, but he could put them in front of nontraditional backgrounds. He was often at his worst. In fact, one image shot for Charles Jourdan shoes Bourdin shows a woman collapsed on a bed, the nearby television playing, the silhouette of a young boy standing in the doorway. :: RÉGLEMENTATION, GESTION :: POLITIQUE AGRICOLE, REGLEMENTATION, par Jardinier du 70 le Ven 12 Avr - 17:36. i thought of helmut newton while reading this and seeing the pictures... i hadn't heard of Bourdin by name before but had seen his work. DAZ|Studio Humor posted on Mar 04, 2018, Report this image ages ago All very reminiscent of his memory of his mother. Fashion photography in 1954 was not particularly innovative; there was near-uniformity in the styles and poses used by the industry's photographers. Bourdin's approach has become ubiquitous, especially in European fashion magazines. That casually sadistic treatment of women wasn't limited to the photograph. Despite his apparent contempt for his work, Bourdin still considered himself an artist. But as there is are not only the computing in life, to relax me, there is Daz3D, Hexagon. As his assistants hurried to remove the pearls and the glue, Bourdin is reported to have said "Oh, it would be beautiful to photograph them dead in bed." (I checked out google images - which is where I got the creepy reaction.) There is a hint of "evil genius" in his work, for which I have a glimmer of aesthetic appreciation, at least for his meticulous design. What are you listening to right now as you type. I definitely see the pale skin thing. Also in the sense that Bourdin had almost total disregard for conventional norms and morality, his work is surrealist. (permalink), Excellent article. While he was still an infant, Bourdin's parents abandoned him. His work shattered the accepted boundaries of fashion photography and continue to shape the images produced today. !, err (I mean see it!). I'd like to resurrect one of our time-honored traditions: the Welcome Wagon. To understand that aspect of 'liking" check out Truffaut's movie "L'homme qui aimait les femmes" (The man who loved women"). The layer of glue interfered with the skin's ability to regulate temperature and exchange oxygen; both models passed out. Have you been away? I'm also curious as to what his mother looked like. Not *very* dissatisfied; just somewhat dissatisfied. Although I am far (very far) from being a fashion follower there is something I love about fashion photography- Helmet newton, Irving Penn and such... :) Oui dans le 51 les coquelicots une plante qui aime le calcaire et son ph ,puis le vulpin résistance aux sulfos dans les deux cas font leur apparition à la moindre erreur dans un programme désherbage . ages ago He was born in Paris in 1928. Les Agrin@utes: le Forum de l'Agriculture Francophone. Clearly, given the photographic treatment given these models, Bourdin's feelings about his mother were powerfully conflicted. In 1948, not long after the end of World War II, Bourdin was conscripted and entered the French Air Force. Bourdin Direct Du lundi au jeudi, Jean-Jacques Bourdin reçoit un invité au coeur de l'actualité. His mother, however, remained absent. Interesting. It's funny how really great art can overcome the personality who created it and how that artist may have treated people, but art that is basically just "good" as apposed to "great"... people may not be as forgiving. By using our site, you acknowledge that you have read and understood our Terms of Service, including our Cookie Policy and our Privacy Policy. (permalink). This site uses cookies to deliver the best experience. In an announcement for one of Bourdin's early gallery shows, he wrote this: Thank you, Greg, for this salon and your insightful follow-up comments. ages ago ages ago OCT2020 - SPOOK-tacular Halloween Backgrounds VGS, Poser 11 / Poser Pro 11 OFFICIAL Technical, Renderosity In 1985 Bourdin was awarded the Grand Prix National de la Photographie by the French Ministry of Culture. The freedom and control experienced by modern fashion photographers is a direct result of Guy Bourdin. Advertising used to be...and to a large extent, still is...about making people marginally dissatisfied with their lives. I find him to be a thoroughly despicable man and I'm offended by many of his images. I look forward to Sundays for these. (permalink). Renee said I definitely see the pale skin thing. Bourdin turned all that on its head. I hadn't known about Guy Bourdin before and only have a dentist's office familiarity with Vogue, but I have always been impressed by the artistry I found there. Bands, Businesses, Restaurants, Brands and Celebrities can create Pages in order to connect with their fans and customers on Facebook. My professional universe is Word, Excel, Access, Calc and Writer. Sex, death, and exquisite shoes. There he was trained as an aerial photographer. Pigs have snouts with notrils that look like electrical sockets Would make a great case study for sociologist/ ethnographers on the French mindset and the art movement in France. Really great photographs. Should we blame him also for making it easy for Madonna to sell her bondage images to the general public? What he really wanted to be, though, was a painter. Sex, death, and exquisite shoes. In particular, Guy Bourdin (although I certainly didn't know his name at the time, and I had always - erroneously - assumed that Jourdan shoes were shot by Helmut Newton). We do have some idea of how he felt about Bourdin's art photography before he joined up with Vogue. Utata...where else would folks read an essay on fashion photography and go off on a tangent about the severed heads of livestock? And I'm using the generic "you" here. () He became Bourdin's mentor. I've no idea what Man Ray thought of Bourdin's fashion work. ages ago La Marne est rouge de coquelicots en ce moment . Are we strange ?? It's the light red hair that I'm not so sure about. il y a plusieurs mois que je ne l'écoute plus. Show off your favorite photos and videos to the world, securely and privately show content to your friends and family, or blog the photos and videos you take with a cameraphone. Those were the days. Kudos to Bourdin for his ground-breaking work. His behavior toward his models, his wife, his girlfriends was neglectful and dismissive at best, cruel and abusive at worst. ages ago This guy evokes such contradictory emotions in me. ages ago But the thing is, we can learn something about photography even from jamokes like Bourdin. ... btw ... not that i'm an expert, and it's a minor detail, but they look like calves heads, not pig heads ... He introduced concepts of violence, suggestions of perversity, and expressions of death into his work. Penmaenuchaf Hall, Penmaenpool Picture: Bourdin starter - Check out Tripadvisor members' 544 candid photos and videos of Penmaenuchaf Hall (Are you new? I have always felt there was a nasty feel to his images. (permalink). Knowing about the man doesn't help much, I'm afraid. HyperBob edited this topic ages ago. Maybe the next Guy Bourdin will find a way to celebrate the shoes without the death. (permalink) Si vous vous connectez pour la première fois à ce forum, merci de bien vouloir passer par la rubrique dédiée aux nouveaux arrivants pour lire les conditions et vous présenter avant de poster. ages ago Thank you for shedding some light on his troubled life, and for confirming some of my assumptions. Strawberry blonde? Unfortunately, Bourdin's talent was mediocre at best, and he was astute enough to realize that. His stuff creeps me out. NYCandre edited this topic ages ago. On the sixth time, Man Ray himself answered the door and invited him in. There is a Stepford Wife quality to many of his models; they tend to look alike…pale skin, long light red hair. I feel sorry for his wife/girlfriends/models/etc. I understand that. this background story doesn't make me want to search out any more right now though. He refused to accept it. i just googled his images, he really didn't seem to like women at all. Yeah, creepy. There IS a Bourdin photo of a hat model posed with pig heads, and another with rabbit heads. This began a relationship that changed the nature of fashion photography forever. He is said to have thought himself un poète damné, a poet damned to suffer. He was sent to live with his paternal grandparents, who owned a restaurant in Paris. Sign up for a free account, or sign in (if you're already a member). ages ago (permalink), Sweet Jody said I am bored by the now-cliche misogynstic "shock" fashion photograph, but I can appreciate Bourdin's seminal contribution to the genre. Oh for sweet_distin he really liked women. Would they come under the banner of surrealism and where they taken around the time of that movement. (permalink), Okay, calf heads. No Eiffel Towers for Bourdin, no Arc de Triomphe. The shoes might be in the photograph, but the photograph was not of the shoes. Magazine. Originally posted ages ago. Bourdin began to develop something of a reputation and became a favorite of Francine Crescent, the editor of French Vogue. Imagine promoting shoes by photographing teapots. But in the sense that his work was done in the service of the fashion industry...not surrealist at all. He had his assistants cover the models with glue and attach the pearls. Kordouane Our own cookies make user accounts and other features possible. *shivers* Online Now! He was turned away by the artist's wife. I am bored by the now-cliche misogynstic "shock" fashion photograph, but I can appreciate Bourdin's seminal contribution to the genre. The only memory Bourdin had of his mother was of an elegant Parisienne, heavily made up, with light red hair and very pale skin. Not so sure about the light red hair. Members remain the original copyright holder in all their materials here at Renderosity. My favorite thread in FlickrSoc... Well it looks like we are firmly in a second phase of a COVID-19 pandemic. I actually liked the photographs published here and enjoyed reading about him, but finding out more can flavor how you view the photography in a negative way. You'd have to look at more of his work to see how often he used red-haired models. It wasn't until a decade after his death that his work was published in book form and it took two decades before an exhibition of his photographs was arranged. *looks at skin* On one occasion Bourdin wanted to cover the pale bodies of two models in tiny black pearls. Please indicate your reason below (required) and include a brief explanation if desired, then click "Submit" to confirm your report. Bourdin dominated his wife and his various girlfriends, often removing their telephones, refusing to let them have visitors or leave their apartments, locking them in when he left. There is no doubt that his approach changed the nature of fashion photography. ages ago Renderosity - a digital art community for cg artists to buy and sell 2d and 3d content, cg news, free 3d models, 2d textures, backgrounds, and brushes Améliorez vos pratiques agricoles, partagez vos expériences et découvrez les astuces qui faciliteront votre travail. arch said Just one question comes to mind looking at the photographs here. "He remembered her in a very romantic way," according to Vogue editor Francine Crescent. Vida said Gosh how I pined for those shoes. How cool would that be? Guy Bourdin died of cancer in 1991. If you click it, you'll go home, Welcome Wagon! Gosh how I pined for those shoes. He does creep me out though and that flavors how I see all his work. (permalink), Ah Paris! Modern fashion photographers like Steven Meisel, David LaChappelle, and Nick Knight continue to work those same themes in that same style with those same bright colors. I think moo-pigs has just made it into the Utata lexicon. (permalink), What a guy, what a guy. (permalink), yes, really interesting, thank you. This style turned out to be good for the magazine, which drew more attention and therefore generated more advertising sales. Thanks Greg for another fascinating salon. Browse Pages. Most remarkably, he did it using incongruously bright colors. this background story doesn't make me want to search out any more right now though. Flickr logo. Bourdin's eccentricities extended to his models. 10:33AM | Sun, 04 March 2018, chacornac Eric CIOTTI sur France 3 - La Loi CIOTTI adoptée à l'Assembl Bourdin direct by guy91600. But I still want the shoes. He would actually sketch many of the photos before he shot them, sketch them in color, and then make sure his assistants arranged things to match the colors in the sketch. The lousy bastard was a genius. ages ago A character as unpleasant as (many of) the images he produced. Andre asked What did Man Ray think of his protege's work? Use of any of their material inconsistent with the terms and conditions set forth is prohibited and is considered an infringement of the copyrights of the respective holders unless specially stated otherwise. Bourdin began to construct and photograph strange narratives that existed independently of the product. Originally posted ages ago. (permalink), ... de-capitated livestock seems to fit right up his proverbial alley ... could this be a social comment on how he viewed women? (permalink), Huh. Ce lundi, Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, tête de liste aux Européennes 2019, était l'invité d'Apolline de Malherbe dans #BourdinDirect sur BFM TV. sex and death ... how more universal can you get?! I'm not so sure what the definition of light red would be though. Dissatisfied enough to think that buying a product will offer some slight improvement in their situation. A lot of art critics invoke surrealism when discussing Bourdin. A despicable man shooting offensive situations in the service of elitist fashion...not exactly inspiring material. une veille d'élections, je crains que ça soit plutôt écolo comme discours, pour aller dans le sens du vent ! His mother was Belgian, his father Spanish; both were very young. Hum... what about the French mindset ?? What a way to use one's internal conflicts. Another attempted suicide by slashing her wrists. Exquisitely shot vertiginous heels with a stratospheric price (literally and figuratively), alluding to a life of mystery and forbidden pleasures - completely out of my reach. He refused to exhibit his photographs, refused all offers of publishing them in book form. Just one question comes to mind looking at the photographs here. Bourdin was as dismissive of his work as he was of the women in his life. ages ago Knowing that detail may not change the way you take photographs, but it might cause some slight shift in the way you think before you take photographs. Guarda Ciotti - academyfanclub su Dailymotion. Yet I can't help being impressed with how radically he re-shaped fashion photography and, really, the way images are used in commercial culture. He discovered that Man Ray lived nearby and went to see the famous surrealist photographer. Bands, Businesses, Restaurants, Brands and Celebrities can create Pages in order to connect with their fans and customers on Facebook. Violentz (a group admin) edited this topic ages ago. 4:24AM | Sat, 17 March 2018, C'est vrai ça, les français veulent savoir . Christine wrote..."...He does creep me out though and that flavors how I see all his work" Tom said i hadn't heard of Bourdin by name before but had seen his work. His personal life was equally disturbing. Mon univers professionnel est Word, Excel, Access, calc et writer. (permalink) ages ago Despite all this, Bourdin continued to work, continued to shoot his strange conceptual fashion photographs. Obviously having Man Ray as a mentor you would expect that to have significant influence on the work. ... eh, mebbe ... (joke, OK?) *looks at models* His misogyny and fascination with death and suffering…those are troubling and disturbing. In the sense that his work revolved around the unexpected juxtaposition of the scene and the product, it's certainly surrealist. And the shoes…they're a distant third, almost an afterthought. N'aime pas les pesticides ,notre ministre. It'sGreg edited this topic ages ago. ... Notre ministre en direct chez Bourdin å 8:30. par titi51 le Ven 12 Avr - 7:45. Like much of fashion, which also has a strong thread of misogyny running through it. At some point during his military service Bourdin saw one of Edward Weston's famous photographs of a bell pepper, and began to understand photography had aesthetic potential beyond the mere act of documentation. Was he still miffed he hadn'tmade it as an art photographer a la Man Ray? Les Agrin@utes: le Forum de l'Agriculture Francophone. The echoes of Bourdin's work are still resounding in the fashion industry. He sounds like a dreadfully unhappy man, though I doubt he was fully aware of that. The shoes may have been incidental to what was taking place in the shot, but somehow the eye always goes to the shoe. One of his girlfriends hung herself (her body was discovered by Bourdin's 13 year old son). Third-party cookies are used to display relevant ads and to analyze how Renderosity is used. Exquisitely shot vertiginous heels with a stratospheric price Bourdin wasn't simply unaware of their suffering, sometimes he appeared to enjoy it. As Bourdin's artistic license increased his images became still more abstract, even less concerned with the product, much more idiosyncratic, and overtly sexualized. Originally posted ages ago. It was good for the product, even if was incidental to the image, because it brought attention to the brand. Would they come under the banner of surrealism and where they taken around the time of that movement. (permalink), *looks at hair* Browse Pages. Mais comme il n'y a pas que l'informatique dans la vie, pour me détendre, il y a Daz3D, Hexagon. After four years of trying to exist as an art photographer, Bourdin was hired by French Vogue to photograph hats. Back in the time of the infamous moo-pigs. One of the problems with these salons is I limit myself to four photographs (when I began, it was just a single photo...then two, then three...so it's getting better), which is rarely enough to give somebody a real feel for a photographer's work. Bourdin is said to be the first fashion photographer to shift the emphasis from the product to the image. His wife died, apparently of a drug overdose while in bed watching television. (permalink). And it was good for Bourdin, who was soon given unparalleled freedom to photograph whatever he wanted. In the early 1960s, she introduced him to Roland Jourdan, the head of Charles Jourdan shoes. Originally posted at 9:08AM, 9 November 2008 PDT As appalled as I am by Bourdin's private life and his treatment of women, I have to admit being amazed at how he made photographs that both were and were not about shoes. Not so sure about the light red hair. He continued to paint throughout his career, but his painting seems only to have reinforced his sense of personal inadequacy. ages ago You have indicated that this image may be a violation of the Terms of Service. (permalink) His use of spectacularly bright color, his decision to make the product incidental to the image, his insistence on controlling the elements of the photograph…those are all to be commended. Notre ministre passe chez Bourdin ce matin. whatever!!!! Originally posted ages ago. Very disturbing! Briggate.com edited this topic ages ago. Interesting salon Greg. I did see a big exhibition of his work and the boldness in the use of colour is remarkable. Even within those confines, however, Bourdin's feel for art asserted itself. Consider this: once he began to get some traction in the fashion world, Bourdin also began planning out his shots in detail. In 1950, at the end of his two years of military duty, Bourdin returned to Paris, determined to be a photographer. Never knew about Bourdin. How happy was he as a person? ages ago Some years later his father remarried and re-entered his son's life. I untimately try to let go of the artist's history and just appreciate the work as it stands alone if it's really good. What did Man Ray think of his protege's work? C'est tres joli ... ca devrait calmer les ecolos ... http://www.franceprevisions.fr/pages/previsions-expertisees-pros/, Notre ministre en direct chez Bourdin å 8:30, Re: Notre ministre en direct chez Bourdin å 8:30. Great salon. BFM Story avec Olivier Truchot : place à l’analyse et aux débats autour des événements d’actu marquants de la … (permalink) So why did he really refuse all official recognitions? He essentially told the consumer "You're too cool to give a rat's ass about the product; but you want to be somehow associated with the sort of people who are dangerously creative, so you'll buy this product anyway." sezohanim edited this topic ages ago. Putting aside the butchery, this is another spectacular story. (permalink), Definately not pigs. I guess I say this as someone who is a strawberry blonde, and while I associate myself more as a blonde than a red head, lots of people tell me I'm a red head. While reading the pages of French Vogue as a young girl I often wondered what lives its photographers led. The images found in high fashion magazines were fairly formulaic. () (permalink) So I kind of wonder what "light red" would really mean, as most of the models have bright red hair, not light red (at least as I would understand it). He is considered by many to be one of the best fashion photographers in history. la France un pays communiste avec sa couleur fétiche. (permalink), Another interesting salon. That's the legacy of fashion photographer Guy Bourdin. ages ago ), Got Team Spirit, come on Let's Hear It! Though his life story sounds dark. Now, if Bourdin had taken all those photos for Jourdan shoes and included, say, teapots instead of fashionable footwear, then that would have been truly surreal. ... :D Red hair that is slightly more orange? I'm not so sure what the definition of light red would be though. Flickr is almost certainly the best online photo management and sharing application in the world. (permalink) A third died in a fall.
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